Mani Vaya believes in meditation and has been meditating for 20 years, having started as a teenager because of the huge challenges he was facing in his life. Mani is a former Physicist and Electrical and Computer Engineer who went on to oversee the launches of huge cell phone products. Since that time, he has become an entrepreneur with the ‘2000Books' Youtube channel and podcast where he interviews top business and self-help authors. Mani teaches meditation, mindset, and mental toughness strategies as part of his work at 2000books.com.
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Mani Vaya (00:00):
I would have been a nervous wreck. I would have lost the job offer, I would have to leave the country. My life would have been completely different if I hadn't found meditation at the time.
Bruce Langford (00:11):
Hey, welcome to mindfulness mode. This is Bruce, your host. So good to have you here today and I am excited today because we're going to be talking about meditation and meditation is one thing that I, I mentioned a lot on the show and a lot of our guests do. It's such an important part of my life. I know that and so many of you have meditation as part of your life as well and at this time during the Coronavirus pandemic, man, you know, I don't know how I'd get through this without my meditation practice, but I'm very excited to have an expert meditation enthusiastic with us today and he's been on the show before and I'm excited to have him back. I have many via with me today. Hey Manny, are you in mindfulness mode again today?
Mani Vaya (01:06):
Absolutely. Bruce, always in mindfulness, small, especially when I'm here talking with you. So thank you for having me.
Bruce Langford (01:13):
Oh yeah, my pleasure. And I just meditated just a little bit earlier and I feel very calm and relaxed. And have you already meditated today, Manny?
Mani Vaya (01:24):
I have. I have my daily routine of meditation and that's something I do every single day without fail.
Bruce Langford (01:32):
And what does meditation do for you, Manny?
Mani Vaya (01:37):
Meditation has so many aspects to it. Pros, I mean, to me the meditation journey started because I was in a depth of despair. So let me, let me take you back to 1996
Bruce Langford (01:53):
Back to 96 yes, I knew that it was quite some time ago that you were having some challenges and started meditating. So what happened back in 96
Mani Vaya (02:05):
Speaker 1: (02:05)
So I had just graduated from high school back in India and I was preparing myself. I had prepared for the biggest engineering entrance exam; college entrance exam. All the students in India aspire to get into that, it's called the IITGE, Indian Institute of technology, joint entrance examination. It's the most grueling examination, the most challenging examination of four people in high school who are graduating high school and who aspire to go to college. So my parents, I have to set the scene here. I grew up in a 400 square foot, one bedroom, little corner apartment, no windows, literally only little window for the kitchen. That's all we had. And I grew up with my mom, my dad, my brother and my sister. There were five of us. So in India at the time the IITGE was a big deal because that was your salvation, that was your way to get out of the tough times.
Mani Vaya (03:10):
And my dad was a struggling attorney at the time, don't really have as much in terms of resources. So for us, the way out of all that we were going through was to get great higher education. And so I had spent around three to four years of my life preparing for this big exam because it was all I had to deliver. I had to do really well at the exam so I could be selected into the college. So I could get into IIT, the Indian Institute of technology, which is like the premier engineering college in the country. At that time we used to have five or six campuses. Now we have a lot more. So for me it was a very high pressure exam, very, very, very high pressure exam because everything was on the line. I'd spent three years, my mom and dad had spent all of their waking hours helping me through this to hope that I will make it through their exam.
Mani Vaya (04:06):
And the night before the exam, the night before the exam, I could not fall asleep. Oh wow. So 12:00 AM comes around and I couldn't sleep, 1:00 AM consciously and now I'm like getting, getting a little nervous, cause 9:00 AM is my exam. I still am. I still can't sleep at 2:30 and I'm getting even more nervous now. Like if I can't sleep what will happen? You know that feeling when you're stressed out and the more you stress out, the more you want to sleep, the less you can sleep, the more you stress out about sleep, the less you are able to sleep. Right. I was going through that at the age of 17, 18 at the time. And I just was so scared cause like the more I thought about not sleeping, the more I could not sleep. At 3:00 AM, I literally woke up my parents and they gave me a sleeping pill. It's called Valium, Valium and the sleeping pill. Yeah. And the sleeping pills knocked me out and I then I remember being shaken up at seven in the morning saying, Hey, wake up. You need to get ready for the exam. I'm really groggy. I'm really tired. I'm really frustrated at this point and I have to go write the biggest exam of my life.
Bruce Langford (05:16):
Imagine like as a 17 year old, 18 year old carrying all of that stress with you. Imagine. Have you ever taken Valium before?
Mani Vaya (05:25):
Bruce Langford (05:26):
No. So this was your first experience with that. So sometimes it's hard to tell how your body's going to react to something.
Mani Vaya (05:33):
Man, I was so groggy. I was so confused. I was so frustrated. I was like, I don't want to go anywhere right now. I'm so tired where I had to go, I had to go write the exam. I remember it was physics in the morning, 9:00 AM to 12:00 PM and then it was math in the afternoon, 2:00 PM to 5:00 PM and the next day it was chemistry. So it was a grueling set of examinations and back-to-back-to-back and two months later we got the results for the exam. So I had prepared for three years, I had given my whole life to it and my expectation was to be able to score in the top 200 of the exam takers. So there's a hundred thousand people who write the exam, a hundred thousand students who write the exam any given year. Wow. All of India's graduating students where we're aspiring to, you know, to, to be able to make it in their lives.
Mani Vaya (06:23):
They are either going to write this exam or going to write the medical exam to be a doctor. So a hundred thousand students write the exam and I was hoping really hoping to be in the top 200 so I could go study computer engineering or electrical engineering. And then the exam results came and I was ranked 2,252 which is, I was still selected, but I was in the bottom end of the class and the bottom 10% rather than in the first 10% right. So out of a hundred thousand students, I scored a rank of 2,252 instead of being in the top 200. Now my brother had done the same four years ago. He had scored a rank of 92 amongst a hundred thousand test-takers. Wow. So he had done it before me, so the pressure was on me to perform just as well as him, and the pressure was on me to like make sure my parents' three years of work didn't go to waste.
Mani Vaya (07:14):
And my three years of work, all of that pressure led to this situation where I failed. To me it was the biggest failure. Even though I made it, I made it into the top 2,500 who were the graduate like who were going to be able to get into it. I didn't really make it because I couldn't choose the subject of my choice. I couldn't choose the campus of my choice. The people who got the best ranks, they went and did computer engineering, electrical engineering, or the subjects of their choice, and I had to take what was left for me and that was physics. So I went to the campus that I didn't go want to go to. It was 24 hours away from home on a train and I had to go study physics rather than studying engineering. So I was really distraught.
Mani Vaya (07:57):
I was really disappointed and that kind of started me on this journey of thinking, how is it possible that you are so prepared, that you have everything figured out that you are smart, you are, you know, you're going to succeed, you have everything, but then the stress takes over, the anxiety takes over and it just crushes you. It felt so unfair to me. Wow. It's so unfair that all of my efforts had gone to waste in some ways that I could have been one of the top 200. I could have done engineering, computer engineering, electrical engineering, and gone to the school onto the campus of my choice. But no, I was subjected to this misery just because I couldn't sleep for four hours or five hours the night before the exam. And that was because I was just so scared and nervous and stressed out and anxious.
Mani Vaya (08:45):
Yes. Yeah, that's really set me up on a track. Like I started thinking, what is this? This is really wrong. This is not how life should, life is really unfair. If you put in so much hard work and then two hours of stress and just break your down like that, right? Two hours, four hours of stress can totally like take everything out of your life. Add to me it felt really wrong. So I went on a journey and in my journey I found something called Vipassana meditation. And I went there for a 10-day retreat. Now I am a science-oriented person. So for me, I didn't really want to do meditation. I don't believe in that. I thought it was all woo-woo. Then that's when I first got a taste. It was a 10-day complete silence meditation, 10 days in that location, you're completely silent for 10 days and you're just being taught how to meditate. And that was my first introduction to meditation at the age of 17 or 18 and that's how it all got started for me because I got to see what my mind was doing all the time. And meditation isn't really a religious practice or anything, it's just a way to observe your mind.
Bruce Langford (10:00):
Right. Yeah. And so what was that first experience like for you?
Mani Vaya (10:06):
Well, the first experience was very intense, very intense. At that point, I was still pretty young to be able to consent to be able to understand what was going on. But the one thing that was very clear to me was that I don't have my mind under my control. Right. And when you don't have your mind under your control, you're in for a very difficult life. Because when you don't have your mind under your control, it can do crazy things to you. It can stress you out. When you don't need to be stressed out. It can lead you to a lack of focus. It can lead you to, you know, suffering unnecessarily. It can lead you to go down paths. You shouldn't be going down. It can take away your calm, your energy. It can, it can, it can be very debilitating. The truth is that I wasn't the first one to find that I don't have a calm mind or I don't have my mine under my control.
Mani Vaya (11:02):
Almost all of us who are living in this world today, we don't have our minds under our control. And what I found was meditation was like going to the gym just for your mind. So meditation, when I went there, I realized it was a workout form of mind. It was a way to train my mind, to focus my mind, train my mind to focus on something right here, right now in front of me rather than letting it run away in all the different directions. So that was the starting point for a, to really see what's going on, like how our mind really works and how, how much of a monkey mind it really is and no water. I was so stressed out and I couldn't get myself to sleep because my mind was going all over the place.
Bruce Langford (11:49):
And when did you decide to make it a daily practice?
Mani Vaya (11:54):
That took me quite a bit over the years as I was in college. I would start doing it more often, but then I would fall off then I would do it more often than I would fall off. Now what happened was, to relate to people today, one of the things I've found was that as I continued to add meditation to my daily practice, I found results at what I would call meta-level results. So imagine that stress I went through back in 96 and you would argue that it is a certain level of stress for an 18-year-old kid. But then in 2004 I was working in Austin, Texas as an engineer. At the time I was working as a computer engineer. After I had graduated from college, I had come to the U.S., I had gotten a degree in electrical and computer engineering and had started working at my first job in Austin, Texas in 2003 and that was my first job in 2004 I got laid off from that job and when you get laid off in America and I was what's called an H1B worker, which is a high tech immigrant worker visa.
Mani Vaya (13:14):
That's the Visa I had at the time. When you have that Visa, you literally have, when you get laid off, you have 30 days to find a job or leave the country.
Mani Vaya (13:24):
So that is another level of stress that I had never known. Real pressure. It's insane because you know, you have your house, you have your car, you have your friends, you have your everything. Here I was, you know, here I am working on a job and going to my job every day and next day I have 30 days. I have a clock counting down to go find a job or leave the country and you can't just go find a job at McDonald's. You have to find a job equally third equally well-paying engineering job in the same field. So your options are very limited. You can't just say I'm going to go start a business. Now you have to find a job, right? That's what H1B visit visa demands. So here I was in this pressure cooker of a situation and today I can empathize with people who are out there who are dealing with such stressful times because you know when you lose a job and you have very limited time and you're running out of funds and money is dry and you know, like for me 30 days go find something or lose everything.
Mani Vaya (14:24):
30 days isn't very long. Is it? 30 days is nothing like compared to what a lot of people might have. Even today with all the crisis that's going on, people probably have savings. And that's exactly what I saw with my friends, my American friends at the time who also got laid off around the same time. Like they also got laid off in the same batch as I got laid off. What happened was something very fascinating. I remember the night before the interview, before the Nokia interview, the night before my interview in San Diego for Nokia mobile phones. I was really excited about the job. That was my dream job and I was so excited. But at the same time, the pressure was the same. I could, I could tell the pressure was the same as when I was like the night before, the biggest exam of my life.
Mani Vaya (15:12):
It was again the biggest example of my life. But this time, you know, I just use my meditation. I use my powers to just calm my mind down and I fell asleep. If I woke up in the morning, I should show up at the job interview. And again, the pressure is building that anxiety is building. And again, I use my meditation to calm myself down, to bring myself to focus. And I remember going through the job interview and having such highly, highly, highly stressful job interview where, you know, I don't know if your listeners are engineers or programmers, but engineering interviews are, or programming interviews are really challenging because we're there. Literally you go there at 9:00 AM the interview goes on all day till 5:00 PM and every hour there is one interviewer who's going to ask you a bunch of coding questions. You're literally solving problems on your feet all day long.
Mani Vaya (16:05):
Wow. You're solving technical problems, interview questions, you're solving them every freaking hour, all the time. You're expected to solve this coding problem, this course, this quiz, it's all challenging. Very challenging computer engineering questions that you are being subjected to. And I went through their whole job interview with the stress of knowing that if I don't do well, I could be out of my way. And this was, I could be on my way back. And this was like two weeks before the deadline was about to expire, right? So the stress was through the roof, but in the middle of the stress, I was still able to take action and take proper, powerful, focused action. You see, often people say, Oh, do you become fearless as a result of meditation? Do you feel like you were fearless? I'm like, no, you never become fearless. The opposite of fear is courage and that's what meditation is. You. You don't have to lose fear. You're able to take action in phase. You're able to observe that fear and you're able to take action in face of fear. That is courage. Courage is not the absence of fear. Courage is taking action in the presence of fear, and that's what meditation taught me is that yes, there is fear. I can observe it, I can see it and I'm still taking action. I'm still going to move forward. I'm still going to do the right thing right now.
Bruce Langford (17:26):
Right? I, I'm sure that meditation has given me a lot of courage as well, and sometimes I still feel fear, but I just love having my daily meditation practice because it feels like it makes me more grounded. It makes me feel certainly more calm and more relaxed, but I still, you know, I still feel different emotions. Of course, you know, it's not like some people think, Oh, you know, maybe you become more emotionless or something and, and that's not really true. But I think I notice my emotions more and I'm able to, maybe I'm able to choose how I deal with my emotions rationally rather than just letting my emotions control me, which is what it used to be like years ago when I didn't have a meditation practice.
Mani Vaya (18:18):
Yup, exactly. And that was my life was back in 96 when the emotions were running me. Yes. But in 2004 when I was giving the interview at Nokia in San Diego, I felt like I was the master of my emotions in the middle of that crisis, in the middle of that big setback when I have like two weeks left to get this job or leave the country, I know how big the pressure is. I know how hardcore their pressure is. But even then in the middle of that, I'm giving my very best. I'm performing at my very best, and that's because of meditation. I had to learn to conquer my mind, to control my mind, to know that it goes through its emotions, to observe it, and then continue on. So what happened? What happened was pretty fascinating. I did the interview and a week later, or not week later, yeah, 45 days later, I got a call from an eight 500 number and I picked her up and it caused the recruiter from Nokia calling, Hey Manny, we're going to offer you the position of DSP engineer.
Mani Vaya (19:18):
And I remember being in my Austin room at the time in my Austin apartment at the time, I literally fell to the floor crying. Wow. Because in the moment it was a victory of so many different managers. It wasn't just the victory of the fact that I had a job and I could stay in the country. It was the idea that I had won over myself, that my, that I wasn't controlled by my emotions and my stress anymore. That I ruled over that. And that to me was fascinating to be able to say that, yes, I can do what I want to do without my mind getting in my way. I can handle the biggest stress of life and I can still give my very best to be. That was just one of the sweetest victories in some ways because the ability to handle that was something I didn't have before. I was a kid who crumbled under pressure. But in the midst of the stress, in the midst of the challenge, in the depths of despair, I was able to pull it together because I had by that time developed a pretty hardcore meditation practice.
Bruce Langford (20:28):
That's such a great story, man. And you know, it's true. Stress and panic can just shut us down in our tracks and you know, unless we have tools to move through that, it can be devastating how it can affect us.
Mani Vaya (20:46):
Yeah. And that's, that's what I'm worried about right now. Today people are, people are in this panic mode, in this crisis mode. They're feeling the crisis and I can't blame them. It's right. Yes, we are. We are in a very difficult situation right now, but ultimately what we make of it is going to be up to us and if we let this panic, this anxiety run our lives, we will not get the best. It's like I can already see that if I operate like that person who couldn't sleep the night before the biggest exam of his life, I'm going to lose massively. I'm going to instead of, instead of delivering in the top 10% I am going to be in the bottom 10% that distinction is there. Imagine if I was that same person without meditation trying to get their job, I would have been a nervous wreck.
Mani Vaya (21:34):
I would have lost a job offer. I would have to leave the country. My life would have been completely different if I hadn't found meditation at the time. By the way, just to complete that story, in 2000 2004 I actually got three job offers. By the time the 30 days were up, how you did, I got a few job offers and it was all because I had a level of mastery and control over my emotions that I didn't have before. And that to me was fascinating. And, and there's more to it. I had other friends, my American friends who also had lost jobs during the same time. I remember so many of them, most of them could not even find a job for the next three months, four months. And I realized the reason for that, there were so many different things that were going on, but the biggest thing was mastery of your own mind. And you don't have mastery of your or your mind. You can find yourself struggling with all of these things.
Bruce Langford (22:30):
Yeah, that's absolutely true. I know there've been a couple of really rough spots in my life. I can tell you that I just, I just felt lost. I felt absolutely lost and I felt like I was running around in circles and this monkey mind was going crazy and I had pain and suffering and I was just going through such a rough time. But then when I developed a meditation practice and a morning routine, then no matter what happened, I always had that meditation practice. I always had that same go-to. So I always meditated at the same time. And for the same amount of, well sometimes I meditated longer, but I always meditated for at least 20 minutes. And then later in the day, if I felt any kind of stress coming on or felt like I was feeling a sense of overwhelm, I would just take a few minutes and I would go into a deep state of meditation. And it was unbelievable how relaxed it helped me to become.
Mani Vaya (23:44):
Yeah. And the, and
Bruce Langford (23:46):
The beauty of meditation is Bruce, as you know, we know this now, there are over a thousand plus research studies done on meditation. It's not just some random booboo thing. Literally. I mean I have, I have studied so many research papers on this meditation because I wanted to understand what really happens. Literally Harvard university research study that shows that meditation increases gray matter density in areas of the brain in as little as eight weeks, just literally eight weeks. Meditation increases gray matter density and in parts of the brain that are involved with decision making and executive functioning. Right. That's Harvard university saying that. Yeah. Yeah. And I've read studies as well that meditation creates new neural pathways. Even in as short as 30 days they began to develop and your brain literally starts to change. And I don't think they had this research 20 years ago or even 15 years ago, that research is more recent and they can now study the brain in such a way that they can see those new neuro-pathways have been completed and created. And so they know that meditation is actually changing the brain and how it works. And so no wonder it feels so great. No wonder you feel like a different person almost as a result of meditating for a certain length of time. You know, and I mean over a, you know, a certain number of months you start to feel more relaxed and even a certain number of weeks can make that difference.
Mani Vaya (25:26):
Yeah. Eight weeks, as Howard says, I mean, so many research studies now I, if I started to read them out to you, if I have literally memorized so many of them because I have known about meditation for so long, it's crazy. Thousand research studies, there's, this is what UCLA says. UCLA says meditation improves information processing, information processing and decision making. This is what the university of California Davis says. Meditation was focused attention and able to work under stress. Harvard University says meditation increases gray matter in areas of the brain involved with learning and memory. It's ridiculous how many research studies we have. Wisconsin says; meditation reduces density in areas of the brain related to anxiety and stress. The American journal of psychiatry, it says meditation helps reduce symptoms of panic disorder. The University of Leuven in Belgium says meditation reduces depression, anxiety and stress. It's on and on and on and on and on.
Mani Vaya (26:14):
There are a thousand plus research papers. Now I want to kind of circle back to people and kind of establish the fact that I got the job offers in that high-pressure situation, that was not a fluke because in 2006 I got laid off again. Again I had the same H1B Visa and again, the same situation. Find a job in 30 days or leave the country. That time I got five job offers in 30 days. Wow. And it's like I don't think I am special. I just think that practice helped me completely change my perspective. I know people struggle with interviews, people struggle with handling such high-pressure situations. But I have an unfair advantage now because for me, I know exactly how to handle those situations. And that was in 2006 and then again in 2007 I got laid off from my job at Texas instruments and I had to find another job in 30 days.
Mani Vaya (27:10):
But at that time I found another job in seven days. And I kept the job and I kept the job until I decided I'm never going to get laid off again, which meant that I started my own business. So things evolved in a certain way, but literally I don't believe any of this could have happened if I hadn't found meditation. I don't believe I could go from being someone who was such a nervous wreck that I spoiled my whole three years worth of effort. I totally screwed up. I went from that person to literally finding job offers every single time, multiple more than anyone else was finding in my group of friends. It was because, and not only that, it was a pressure cooker of a situation. Every single time, 30 days, find a job, leave a country, find 30 days, find a job or leave the country when it happens once you call it a fluke, but when it happens so many times again and again and again in such high-pressure crisis-like situations, then you got to really dig deep into why it's happening.
Bruce Langford (28:15):
Yes, yes you do. And you know, I've interviewed so many people for the show and the vast majority of the people I've interviewed are successful people who meditate and they tell me stories and have told me stories on the show about really tough times they went through and challenges and when they learn to meditate and when meditation became a regular part of their life, their life changed and they became more grounded and more focused and more relaxed and more productive. All of those things.
Mani Vaya (28:53):
Yeah. And that's why I literally like, I did not have any, so as, as some of your listeners might already know me, I have a book summary business. I left my engineering career to start a book summary business back in 2015, five years ago. And I was happy doing book summaries, but a lot of people would keep asking me, Hey, how do you manage to read so many books every week? I read seven books a week. How do you manage to learn all of this? And I was like, Hey, it's because of my meditation practice. And as a result, people ask me like, I want to learn the meditation too. So I actually created a course on meditation just because people were asking me. And I, you know, for me it has been such a blessing, but I never really cared to put it in a course until people were like, no, no, no, I need to learn what you did because this is the kind of stuff that everyone needs to know.
Mani Vaya (29:37):
So I was like, alright. And that's how I ended up creating a course on teaching on how to meditate or tell us more about that Manny. Yeah, I mean it's, it's, it's based on the simple, the simplest meditation practices that I learned in when I first started meditating and I've been to those, I've done, I've done all 40 days of complete immersion, like 40 days of meditation in retreat at this stage in my life. So I've been through a lot of meditations. I've basically taken together all of my meditation knowledge and put it together in a course. And right now, Bruce, more than anything else, people need this. People need this to find their calm. Find their module to be able to handle this pressure, handle this anxiety, handle this challenge, and all this stress, handle this crisis, whatever you want to call it.
Mani Vaya (30:27):
I think if you can't get your mind under your control, no matter what's going on, you're going to find these situations to be really tough. But if you can find your mind and if you can get your mind, your control, you will outperform everyone around you. And that's all you can do. You really, your job is not to fix the whole world economy. Your job is to be better than everyone else around you, right? When it comes to a job, when it comes to a business proposition or anything else, your job is to be the best so that you are the choice and meditation will give you the tools to do that. And for your listeners, I'm going to offer them a ridiculous 80% of our course so that at this time I want everyone to be able to use this meditation right now.
Bruce Langford (31:09):
Well, I know this is something you're really passionate about helping people during this crisis, and I am too. And that's one of the reasons I connected with you because I know how generous you are and how you wanted to get this out and I totally believe that meditation is something that can help us through this. Help us be winners through this and there are people who are very, very successful through downturn times because you know you just have to be calm and move in the right direction and sometimes pivot, but just be very focused about what you're doing and making sure that what you are doing is what can help other people who need what you have to offer at this time. So meditation can put you into that place. I know that
Mani Vaya (32:06):
Absolutely meditation is, to me, meditation changed my life. If it wasn't for meditation, I wouldn't have been able to handle all the crisis I have been able to handle in my life and I know it can help every single one who actually puts it into practice. And that's, that's what our teachers, my course, I teach exactly what I learned from the basics to the most advanced. And only that a lot of people get stuck in meditation because they're like, Oh, it's just like sitting here. I don't know if I'm making progress. I don't know how to make a habit out of it. And as I saw that, I said, okay, well I need to guide people. So what I did was I actually literally group coaching calls. So every month, people who joined the meditation program that I have, every month, we get together a group coaching call where I help people through their problems. So for a whole year, you also get a group coaching. For 12 months you'll get group coaching with me to help you through this meditation journey. Every single month I'll be here for you.
Bruce Langford (33:00):
Wow. Wow. This includes 12 months of group coaching. That's fantastic, Mani.
Mani Vaya (33:06):
Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. And I think for all of you guys out there who are listening, we've created a special link for you guys so you can go grab it right now. It's available to the first 50 people who grab it. It's an 80% discount. So just go to mindfulnessmode.com/meditate, and then enter the coupon code calm2020 and you'll get 80% off the course.
Bruce Langford (33:39):
Let me just reiterate that. Mindfulness mode.com so jot this down, mindful tribe, mindfulness mode.com/meditate and then use the coupon code calm, ‘calm2020' and that will give you how much of a discount is that giving you? That's giving you a pretty significant,
Mani Vaya (34:03):
It's around $400 discounts. So it's a pretty giant discount. And the reason why I want to do this is because I know people need it. People need it right now more than anything else, everything else you can count as an addition to your, to do everything else is important. But this is like the most important cause if you can get your mind and your control, everything else is under your control, then you can do whatever you want.
Bruce Langford (34:29):
Wow. That is fantastic. So yes, I think this is a great time to get started with meditation. I mean, most people have time, you know, you just have to have, you just have to have the will, you have to have the determination that you're going to make this a part of your life because it truly will make a difference for you. It truly will help you with, you know, help you with anxiety, reduce anxiety, reduce any kind of stress so that you can move ahead with a level of calm. And that's why, that's why we made that coupon code ‘Calm2020', because that's what we need right now, isn't it? Manny?
Mani Vaya (35:15):
We needed more than anything else right now, man. And I'm happy to answer all the questions when you guys join. You know, we, we take pride in our, in everything we do here. So that's why I offer 180-day, 100 percent money-back guarantee. So almost six months. If you don't like it for any reason, you get your money back. And that's probably the best I can do at this point. I'm giving you all the knowledge I have on controlling your mind and getting your mind in a control, and I'm giving you the best possible way to get you this offer right now.
Bruce Langford (35:54):
And you do have a lot of knowledge on this. You've not only meditated for over 20 years, but you've read so many books about meditation. I know that
Mani Vaya (36:03):
That's right. Yeah. That's my obsession. Now that I've left engineering, I read books for a living, you know, and I read books, I summarize books for a living, and that's kind of, you know, one of the other reasons why I need meditation so I can stay focused and I can learn quickly and learn at a rapid pace so that I can summarize the knowledge of those books.
Bruce Langford (36:21):
Yes. Yeah. Well mindful tribe. I encourage you to jump onto that website by going to mindfulness mode.com/meditate and then use that coupon code comm 2020 thank you so much for being here today, Manny.
Mani Vaya (36:40):
Thank you very much, Bruce. It's always a joy to talk to you. I really enjoy talking to you. It's fun when we get to explore the depths of our minds in some ways and be more mindful in today's crazy world.
Bruce Langford (36:52):
Right? Exactly. Well, you have a great rest of your day, Manny.
Mani Vaya (36:57):
Thank you very much. Bye now. Bye.
Bruce Langford (37:01):
Bruce Langford (37:01):
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