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Bruce Langford: So what does mindfulness mean to you Hale?

Hale Dwoskin (Find Unshakable Inner Security):
Well, it's interesting, I don't really think about that term too often the term that I use is presence, or awareness, or beingness. And the way I would describe it is living presence. Both, there is a living presence that we're all experiencing moment to moment, whether aware of it or not. We can live as presence or live in the company of presence, if that's too far for us to go. When you're aware of the truth of who you are, that naturally informs everything you in spirit experience, from a very different place, the still mind and open heart and and just an ability to respond appropriately to whatever is happening. Courage within you around you will heal. So many of us seem to be really good at letting go of positive emotions we let go of those faster, don't we? And we hold on to negative. Like why? Why is that part of the human condition? Doesn't that seem funny that were created that way? Well, we're not actually created that way. If you look at young children, and you see how they respond to emotion, they generally hold on, they don't have to hold on to the good emotion because that is their resting state.

Hale Dwoskin (Find Unshakable Inner Security):
Most children have to effort to get into a negative emotion. And it's not that they don't, they do. But what's different between us and young children is young children haven't been convinced that they're limited yet. They haven't been trained out of their natural ability to let go of stress and tension and anxiety and …They don't even think of it as stress tension, and anxiety. Those are adult terms. Kids contract, and then they naturally let go. Kids … their resting state is towards openness. Now of course, there are exceptions to that if they've been, if the child has been severely beaten up by life, but children naturally gravitate in this direction and we train them out of it.

Hale Dwoskin (Find Unshakable Inner Security):
So that's what's natural. In fact, what I've noticed, through working with people, is that it's easier to live a natural life than the life what most of us call the normal life, which is struggling with the uncomfortable emotions and the good emotions seem to slip away only because they are also what's natural in adults except they're covered over by layers upon layers upon layers upon layers. I could go on for a long time, of beliefs, emotions, ideas, dogmas, habit patterns. All these things that without realizing, we're accumulating, we accumulate throughout our lifetimes, and it becomes a heavier and heavier burden for us to carry.
Bruce Langford: Let's talk about Lester Levison. Sure. Who was Lester? Tell us about who he was to you and how you knew him and what you learned from him?

Hale Dwoskin (Find Unshakable Inner Security): Sure, Lester Evanston, is the man who inspired the Sedona Method and back in 1952, at age 42, he was sent home to die from a second coronary and rather than go back rather than give up, he decided to go back to the web within himself. He was a scientist, and an entrepreneur and an engineer. And he studied psychology and many of the … he liked to study and he studied a lot of the fields of man except spirituality because he believed that was not provable and not important. And so, when he got this death sentence, he went back to his penthouse apartment over on Central Park, south of Manhattan overlooking the park. And he started a process of self inquiry, trying to discover what had gotten them into this mess. And very quickly, he realized that he had gotten himself into it. It wasn't anyone else's fault. It was something that he was carrying within himself.

Hale Dwoskin (Find Unshakable Inner Security):
And he also spontaneously discovered that we all have this ability to just simply let it go, allow it to unravel, allow it to dissolve. And when we allow ourselves to tap this natural ability, we can discover that all of us have this ability to just unburden ourselves. And I met Lester back in 1976. at a seminar that I organized for another seminar leader, it was a one year seminar. And people, guests and people came in, they were regulars. And then people came and went as part of the seminar. And Lester came and I didn't even really notice him in the seminar because he just watched he didn't really say or do anything to draw your attention to himself, which is kind of Lester's way. But then I was incredibly fortunate, that Lester and I and the other organizer and the seminar leader went out to lunch. And as I hung out with Lester and I heard a little bit about what he did, he didn't say that much about it.

Hale Dwoskin (Find Unshakable Inner Security):
But I could feel that he was this living embodiment of truth, he didn't even use that word. He was a living embodiment of love, peace, and certainty. And just by being with him for that lunch, I knew I wanted to find out more and found out they had a weekend course starting that next weekend. And without really knowing much about it, I signed up for it. And as the course unfolded, I realized the power of what this was. I also had this insight in the middle of the course that oh, this is why I'm here. Do this work and to share this work, and that was 1976. So it's been 44 years. And it's that certainty about my purpose in life, to share this and to help others with it has never changed.

Hale Dwoskin (Find Unshakable Inner Security):
And the benefits I've received over the years have continued to pile up. And the gains and insights and breakthroughs I've seen in other people, over the more than four decades are still confounding to me. Even after all these years, and before Lester died, he turned over all his copyrights to me and basically passed the lineage to me even though this is not a lineage. There are no lineage holders. There's no guru disciple, anything going on, in from any tradition. In fact, this all came about free of any kind of established tradition.

Hale Dwoskin (Find Unshakable Inner Security):
And at the time the whole method was turned over to me Lester had just gave me the one part of what's now the Sedona Method. And it was about choosing to let things go. Over the years, four more other ways, actually, kind of five other ways of letting go have evolved out of me working with people and seeing what they need. And so the technique has evolved dramatically since I took over a more active role. I worked with Lester many years, for 18 years actually. And right before he passed, he said, Look, the method is going to evolve as you work with it, and just allow it, just let that happen. And you'll find more and more effective ways of helping people discover that they're not limited by their emotions and also helping people discover the truth of who or what they really are. So that's the story of the evolution of this.
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